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Old Coalburner by Atticus-W Old Coalburner by Atticus-W
...on the Pennsylvania Southern, ca. 1891.


(Apologies in advance for a rather tedious explanation!)

Basically... this is my idea of a generic, old-time freight engine in the eastern USA. It’s a camelback design (meaning the cab is located in the middle, rather than behind, the boiler), but it doesn’t have the huge Wooten firebox that generally necessitates this unusual placement. Rather, I like to think that a particular coal-hauling Pennsylvania railroad looked to their anthracite-burning neighbor, the Reading, and got the idea to build a middle-cab engine with the only goal being to improve forward visibility. Reportedly, as my line of thinking continues, the design wasn’t a huge success, but neither was it a particular failure— and as in many such cases, laissez-faire prevailed with the crews. The engine carried out its duties unbothered by modification.

If the ultimate conclusion arrived at by my watchers is that this engine is a camelback for the sake of being a camelback, so be it. =p I'm actually pleased with it, all things considered, though I've been a bit torn from the start over whether or not to give it a slope-back firebox.
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Rockyrailroad578 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
I guess the fireman's gonna get wet & sooty on the next run!
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2014
Call it an extra incentive to keep a clean-burning fire. ;)
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Rockyrailroad578 Featured By Owner May 9, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Just realised that the fireman can stick his shovel out and troll people by bell-spamming!
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 13, 2014
Hahaha, yes, I suppose so. XD If he's able to maintain a sense of humor after all that shoveling!

*DING!*
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Rockyrailroad578 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Or he can just wait until a hill slows her down enough and hop off. Then if someone asks, he'd say "I'm not a fireman! I'm my original character...
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Therailking2998 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Well your forget one minor detail. It also had a small lip on the end for the fireman to fuel the engine. And also the tender.
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013
Oy, I drew a platform for the fireman-- see the deck with the railing? =p

As for the tender, well, yeah. I just don't like drawing those things. >>
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Rockyrailroad578 Featured By Owner May 9, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Just use :iconimaginationplz: to imagine a Sierra 3-style tender.
:iconimaginationplz: is useful! I personally did that with a lot of loco detail on my rack loco pushing a coach!
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dinodanthetrainman Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
nice
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012
Thank'e. =)
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dinodanthetrainman Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
your welcome
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Fairy-Red-Hime Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2008
Whoo...wow! Such detail, man! You're good at these like I remembered! :D Good work!
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2008
Thank you! I try my best. :)
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VortexRikers Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
The lineart is smooth and well detailed. The description is interesting too. Good work, good work.
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
Thank you very much... I'm glad to hear you like it. :)
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Retro-Specs Featured By Owner May 14, 2008
Beautiful... just beautiful... though you very well know it, I've got to say - I love the raw, industrial look of this.

Oh, I was going to tell you, CN was putting on this safety presentation at our local mall the other day, and they have two trucks - one customized to look like an old 2-8-0, and one F7, painted up in CN's zebra stripes and bright orange - both look great, too, and actually pretty authentic, for being customized pick-up trucks...
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 15, 2008
Thanks so kindly. :D A fascination with industrial grittiness does seem to be a characteristic we share!

That's too spiffy about the CN trucks, too. XD Truth be told, I've always taken in interest in "mock-up" locomotives built around motor vehicles or just about anything else... and I've got to say, as neat as the F7 sounds, I'd really have to give a hats off to the person who created the 2-8-0 from a truck. That is no small feat. :D
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Retro-Specs Featured By Owner May 19, 2008
Oh yes - because it's just so awesome.

Well, these two CN ones are the only I've seen, but they are definitely neat. And yes - the 2-8-0 is quite impressive, let me tell you.
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 19, 2008
I've seen train "floats" of sorts in various parades from time to time... most of them just tractors with what looks like a 55-gallon drum for a hood. XD But I've seen some online with moving wheels and rods, even. In the New Year's Rose Parade a couple of years ago, they even had an enourmous Hudson, or something about that size (mighta been a Pacific, I can't remember). 'Course, that thing was probably built on the back of a semi trailer!
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Retro-Specs Featured By Owner May 19, 2008
Oh yes, I've seen a few of those! But actually, that 2-8-0 built out of a truck actually has rods between the wheels... it's pretty impressive!
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Kota123 Featured By Owner May 5, 2008
I do love your Locomotives! They make me smile every time.
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 5, 2008
Thanks very much... it makes me very happy to hear that. :D
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steamby51 Featured By Owner May 4, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
oh instant favorite. i love coal burning camelbacks
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 4, 2008
Thanks. :D It seems that a camelback is so subtly different from a normal engine that it slips into the "steampunk" genre with hardly any modification... and that's my kind of engine. I don't know if you've heard of this old cartoon show called "Cowboys of Moo Mesa" (from the 1990s, I think, and yes, it was as stupid as it sounds), but it had a couple episodes with trains in them, and the locomotives all seemed to be ten-drivered camelbacks, even though the show took place in the old west! XD I always got a kick out of that.
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steamby51 Featured By Owner May 4, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
no never heard of it, but yeah all you say is true. ive got an HO scale camelback 4-6-0 made by a jap company "new one". the camelback body, unfortunatley, was so badly damaged it couldnt be saved but i found another body which fit it (cab-back im afraid) the drive chassis is real nice though, stunning red wheels
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 5, 2008
Nice, I love red wheels... hardly ever see 'em in North America. :D
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gunslinger87 Featured By Owner May 3, 2008
I Like It!:D

But it reminds me ALOT of the B&O Cammels. :D
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 3, 2008
Oh, and hey, you're back! :D (Double-take moment, there!) I'm almost ready to post that drawing with Comanchee, though I was going to wait for you first, anyway. :)
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gunslinger87 Featured By Owner May 3, 2008
Yeah, I know. I'll most likely be "On and Off" here on DA. But I'll leave the posting decision up to you, it is YOUR work after all! (Though I am Dieing to see it! lol :D )
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 3, 2008
Well, I guess I'll post it when I finish it then... I was just hoping you'd be around to see it! But I know it's hard when computer access isn't exactly a huge priority. :)
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gunslinger87 Featured By Owner May 3, 2008
Yeah well, I make due. I may be online once a week or so but thats pushing it! Any way, Good luck with the K-28! :D
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 3, 2008
Thanks! :) After I read up on camelbacks on Wikipedia (just to check when they were first used with Wooten fireboxes--1871, I think it turned out to be) I noticed that they included "B&O camelbacks" under a seperate heading... and I agree, this one almost certainly fits into that category!
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gunslinger87 Featured By Owner May 3, 2008
I was once told that the Reading first used Camelbacks, but I'm pritty sure the B&O beat them to it! :D
Oh, since we're on the subject, I hear that the B&O Museum in Baltimore is going to FULLY RESTORE one of their camels to FULL WORKING ORDER! I think its #216. Well what ever the number I know its a 4-6-0 and it will be the Oldest working Camel in the WORLD!!! :D
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 3, 2008
Now that would be something else. :D A camelback 4-6-0... that sounds like a Central of New Jersey job. I know the CNJ was running at least one camelback fairly late in the steam era on excursion runs, though I'm not sure if that same engine is the one that made it to the B&O museum... in any case, it would rock to see one run! I wonder if it would not only be the oldest operational camelback, but the ONLY operational camelback in the world...?
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gunslinger87 Featured By Owner May 3, 2008
Well the one they're restoring look frieghteningly similar to your "Old Coalburner"!
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 4, 2008
Huh, no kidding! I'm going to have to look into this old machine, methinks. :)
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gunslinger87 Featured By Owner May 6, 2008
I emplore you to! :D
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 6, 2008
Well, I takes your advice, and sure enough, there is an uncanny resemblance. :D Mine looks a bit more modern, but other than that, they're dead ringers! (The B&O engine even has that sloped firebox I'd been thinking about...)
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KoopaKid17 Featured By Owner May 2, 2008
Nice design! I also like the description you gave it. History can be very interesting. =D
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 3, 2008
Thanks much! And I'm happy to hear you appreciate my blathering. :D I find history interesting myself, and I can hardly draw anything without worrying about trying to justify its existance... XD
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Sampug394 Featured By Owner May 2, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
It sure looks... Interesting... Is it a Tank Engine? :D
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 2, 2008
Well, thanks! :) And nope, she should have a tender... I just wasn't in the mood to draw it. Probably should have, though, now that I think about it...
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Sampug394 Featured By Owner May 2, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
Naw, that's okay... It happens to all Steamers when they are being built, they have no Tender to cover their ass for a While! :)

(Pardon the "Suggestive" word... :evillaugh:)
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 2, 2008
Haha, good point-- now, between you and Railwolf, I've got two fine oppinions on the proper realtionship between an engine and its tender! I think along your lines very often, though Railwolf offers a convincing argument as well. :)
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Sampug394 Featured By Owner May 2, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
(I sure hit a Good Community of RR lovers when I joined... ;))

Railwolf and I always are Blethering nonstop about Trains, and we occasionaly hit some kind of Stumbling block that turns into a slight Arguement, like, E.G., the thing about the Pipe on SMPG 2-6-0 #192's Smokestack... That turned into a "colourful" Discussion... :D

(You know what I mean if you read this, Railwolf! :evillaugh:)
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Railwolf Featured By Owner May 15, 2008   Filmographer
you hid that, I never hide those things, that way pepole can jump in. Remimber its in those long winded debates that you lern things. If I remimber corectly you had no clue what a dynomo exaust was.
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Sampug394 Featured By Owner May 17, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, No, I don't really have a clue... :shrug:

I hid the comments because it was an ugly list of an Unneeded Arguement...
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Railwolf Featured By Owner May 17, 2008   Filmographer
Uneeded argument my @$$. But leave it like that to prevent a real uneede argument on Atticus's coalburney, Ky. ;-)
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Atticus-W Featured By Owner May 3, 2008
Ah, yes... a long list of hidden comments. A sure sign of a lively debate! XD
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Sampug394 Featured By Owner May 3, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
;) Yes...
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